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~Raven O'Fiernan
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Jul. 8th, 2005 @ 03:05 am Summer Novel Update #2
So, I wrote a lot tonight. Or, at least more than I was aiming for!

Current Chapter: Chapter 6, not yet begun.

Plot update: Sylvia is chosen, and events make her wonder about the legitimacy of the workshop. Eventually she decides it is legitimate, but then is forced to face one of her greatest fears. Nothing from John's point of view this time.

Also, I actually decided to end chapter 3 without writing more.

Characters introduced: no one new.

Total word count: 6166

Chapter 4: 595

Chapter 5: 772

Words written tonight: 1367
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Jul. 8th, 2005 @ 12:32 am Summer Novel Update
Current Chapter: Somewhere in the middle of Chapter 3: The Interview

Plot update: Sylvia is becoming uneasy, since the interview for the Control Issues workshop is going off in strange and disconcerting directions. Meanwhile, John is looking forward to his role, yet clashing with the iron-faced director of the Psychological Institute of Randolph, Mr. Brown.

Characters introduced (and the order in which they were introduced): Sylvia Chesterton (receptionist), her boss (as yet unnamed), John Masters (?? makes money), Marion Greenwood (his personal assistant), Mara and Brent (students of psychology at the Psychological Institute of Randolph, and personal guides to Sylvia), Jen and Linda (front desk workers at the dorm where Sylvia and other women are staying for the workshop), Mr. Brown (director of the Institute), Miss Pierce (his assistant), other women who are there for the interview (as yet unnamed).

Word count: 4799

Chapter 1: 1386

Chapter 2: 1212

Chapter 3*: 2201

Other news:
Obviously, I'm not really on top of this. It seems this novel is progressing at about half the normal speed I'm used to, due to my own nervousness and random need to get up and pace frequently. Thus, I've decided it's going to go through August as well. 25,000 by the end of July, and 50,000 by the end of August.

We'll see, I guess :)

*I decided to end the chapter here, after all.
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Musing
Jul. 3rd, 2005 @ 09:40 pm Change of Plans
Well, due to some interesting circumstances, I've changed which story I'm working on for July. I'm still way behind, but this new idea has more potential right now.

On the other hand, I'm not entirely comfortable posting it here. It's probably going to be heavily filtered, as it makes my Priestess of Anorah look like a prude.
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Jul. 2nd, 2005 @ 01:27 pm Running late...
So, I've decided to try out JulNoWriMo, and see how that goes. Probably a completely new and different novel idea, though unfortunately right now I have no ideas, and we're already two days into July. I'm not having much optimism here.
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Apr. 23rd, 2005 @ 02:58 pm Opinionated thoughts about NaNoWriMo (yes, I know it's April right now)
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I remember, back in November, there was this person who said that NaNoWriMo was bad. That is, that it was something that would hold you back from real writing. I can see that, somewhat, now that I've been through it. However, I think it depends on how you look at it.

For example, let's take me and what I did. For me, it was a complete waste of time. And yet, it was a very valuable waste of time, and I'll likely do it again next year. Of course, I plan on breaking the rules. I plan to keep working on that one. Why? Well, when I started, I knew that this is sort of a side project. And, to be honest, a bad novel. Or, if I want to be more generous, not a novel I was intending to write, but one I wrote for the sheer fun of it. And then, if something magical happened and it turned into something good, go with it!

And in one sense, it wasn't a waste of time. I have this idea for a very grand project. Grand, because of the sheer amount of world-building I have to do. It involves two continents and six countries, and several thousand years of history. Old languages, new languages, old languages' influence still seen (verbs like "to be", names of old places, etc). And let's not get into magic and technology, shopping, coins, how they tell time, what the soil's like, what sorts of plants they know of, eat, etc. And, although I have a problem and a solution, I don't have a story, yet.

Well, so my NaNo was to be a novel in which I figured out some of the world-building stuff for one point in time, for the continent that only has one country. And so, the story really wasn't important at all. Isn't important. It was just fun. And yes, I did learn a few things about my world (though not as much as I had hoped).

I had intended to keep writing it after November, and here's where I think the anti-NaNo writer has a point. As you, my readers, know, I have not kept writing it. November ended, and with that, so too ended the feeling of obligation to keep going. For me, it's not a problem, because I have no stake in that novel. But what if I had begun with the hopes of writing something I did have a stake in? Like the one of the grand plan? (Terrible sentence). I have a feeling that the same sense of "It's over (for good or ill)" would have come over me, and I wouldn't have gotten any further.

And so, here comes my opinionatedness (Yes, that's a word. I just created it. *sticks out tongue*). I think the trick to NaNoWriMo is to use and abuse it for one's own ends. Don't let it corner you into thinking what you're doing is serious. It's not - and the organizers are very clear on that, too. But it's so not serious that you shouldn't pay attention to the rules. If it sounds like I'm telling you you should cheat, you're right. I don't advocate copying and pasting a word 50,000 times. That's dumb and pointless. Similarly, I don't think you should take something you've already written that is 40,000 words and simply add 10,000 and think you've "won". That's equally pointless. My NaNoWriMo, at last count, was around 25,000 words. Next November, I do plan to continue that novel (because, to be blunt, it's the only time I can stand to work on it - right now, I want to do serious writing), but I'm simply not going to count the words that are already written. This is considered cheating, but I don't care. I do want to finish the story, but during the non NaNo months, I don't want to work on that, when I have this other, much more important novel (to me), on my mind. I'm hoping, though I rather doubt I'll manage it (and I haven't, yet) to have 11 months of 10,000 words on serious works, and then go nuts with NaNoWriMo on a non-serious work. I think this will be very productive to me. Obviously, I can't count December - April, but if I plan to write, say 500 words a day (with a few lapses), instead of desperately trying to get out 2,000, maybe it will be easier. And then, in 11 months, I'd have 110,000 words. Not bad, really.

But why should I give up my other fun story, just because I'm supposed to start something new in November? That's dumb. I should be able to choose whatever I want to write.

Okay. I'm done being opinionated. I'm going to go write.
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Musing
Dec. 7th, 2004 @ 10:58 pm Hiatus
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So, I didn't make NaNoWriMo, and not only that, I didn't make it past chapter 8. Oh well. I'm going to continue in either December or January, even though I do think this is the worst thing I've ever written. And maybe I'll put up what I did last (the first part of said chapter 8).
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Nov. 18th, 2004 @ 08:00 am Wow - Thank you!
When I checked my e-mail this morning, there was a message stating that someone had paid for this to be a paid account. So, whoever that was - (though I have my suspicions) - thank you.

I'd also like to thank Katya for our wonderful discussion yesterday. Even though our last comments were about how I'm deliberately not taking this novel seriously, later on, for the first time, I thought that maybe it's not as completely crap as I thought and that I could make it in to something I might want published someday.

Whether it's the fact that it was in person, or something else, I ended up feeling a lot better about it.

I didn't get much written, though - still too much grading. And I really tried to do it faster! Oh well, I'm done now with what I had, so maybe I can add extra tonight.

I did get Chapter 7 done, as you can see below.

Anyway, to everyone,
Thank you!
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Nov. 16th, 2004 @ 05:01 pm ARrrgh!
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Sorry for the weird caps. Normally, I think those are awful, but at the moment, I'm beyond irritation, and all grammatical control has flown out the window. Okay - not all grammatical control, but...

I spent all week-end grading papers, and a good deal of last week, also. Consequently, my word count as of last night was 21,??? (I don't remember the exact number, and I'm on a different computer). I decided to quickly write up 2,000 words, which I did.

Then, I made a mistake, and hit the Undo button. Doing this caused a window to pop up asking if I wanted to save it. I thought, "Why would I want to save the wrong version?" and clicked "no".

Which was, of course, the wrong answer, since the button I had pressed was NOT the undo button as it would be on Word or WordPerfect, but actually the Close File button (RoughDraft). (No, the icon doesn't look like the Undo button, except that there IS an arrow on it. Then again, a lot of the icons are different. Still, if I had been paying attention this wouldn't have happened).

So yeah. I lost 2,000 words.

All because of my own stupidity and carelessness.

*grr*
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Nov. 9th, 2004 @ 05:16 pm More Mary-Sue musing...
I'm still trying not to be paranoid about this, but that just means I'm still paranoid. I'm not so worried about my main character anymore - if she is one, I'll deal with aspects before and after what's going on now. Now, I'm worried about my semi-villain. Now, I don't care if this is a spoiler, because it's very important - these two are NOT going to become romantically involved. That would be dumb. But I am having troubles with him because he's definitely a dark grey character. He's NOT all evil, and I need to get that across. The problem is how to get that across without him turning into an actual know-it-all?

Anyway, this musing isn't actually about my character, it's about my reading. The reason I'm still unconvinced about the importance of worrying about Mary-Sue *characters* (as opposed to how plots/stories *treat* characters) is because I'm still mostly (though not entirely) convinced that what's important in creating good characters is making them believable. And if the story can make you believe that the character is believable, that should be enough.

I'm worried that if I worry too much about Mary-Sue, I'll stop enjoying books I previously enjoyed; and dislike new books I might have liked. Now, this could be a good thing, if the writing actually proves to be poor, and it's just something I didn't see before - that is, if a Mary-Sue really is defined inside the character, not the story. That is a possibility. To be honest, I hope it's not the case. I'm hoping that believable characters are good regardless of how they stand up to Mary-Sue-ness, because what matters to me as a reader should be what *I* find believable. I don't want to start turning up my nose at books based on someone else's definition of "believable". If I had wanted to do that, I'd be reading 19th century realism (which, though many authors have excelled at this style, is one I choke on). On the other hand, having realistic characters is *precisely* what is needed for science fiction and fantasy (especially fantasy) because it is the one thing the reader can relate to their actual lives. As a writer, therefore, I think it is still important to be diligent about making realistic characters, and as a writer, I can see the value in watching out for Mary-Sues, since 1. they are hard to spot in one's own writing, and 2. ARE unrealistic by definition.

The reason this came up again in my mind is because I picked up A Kiss of Shadows by Laurell K. Hamilton. This book was recommended to me by friends, and compared to the Kushiel's Legacy trilogy by Jacqueline Carey. On the other hand, Laurell K. Hamilton's name came up again and again on the Sci/Fi Fantasy "Books NOT to read" thread on the NaNoWriMo forum, particularly for her Anita Blake novels, and particularly because of the Mary-Sueness of the main character. Since the people recommending A Kiss of Shadows were simultaneously telling me to avoid the Anita Blake series, I figured I was okay.

On the first page of the book, I found myself groaning, as if at a really bad pun (and I actually like most puns, so...) because she was *so* perfect, and *so* talented, and yet had *so* many problems. I wanted to make a face and say, "Oh, poor me!" There was much rolling of eyes. And I had to step back and ask myself why. My first answer to myself was "She's *such* a Mary-Sue!" And then, I had to ask myself, "Well, what about Kushiel's Legacy?" And I ran into a wall, because by all standards, Phèdre seems to be even more of a Mary-Sue than Meredith Gentry, if only because Meredith is comparing herself to humans who, in her universe, ARE racially inferior in terms of beauty and magic, whereas Phèdre is comparing herself to other humans. And yet, I loved those books. Absolutely loved them. I didn't feel as though she was unrealistic. I didn't groan when she commented on her own beauty.

So the questions are: Is Phèdre a Mary-Sue? Should I be embarrassed that I liked the books? Should I change my opinion of her (realistic) based on other people's judgements (Mary-Sueness)? What about Meredith Gentry? Is she *really* an unrealistic character, or did I just react to her because of all the articles on Mary-Sues? In other words, if I hadn't read about Mary-Sue, would I like her? Does setting make a difference? Does the fact that Meredith Gentry is living amongst modern day Americans make it easier for me to be irritated with her because she's comparing herself essentially to me, while Phèdre exists in a world where I might be as beautiful as her, had I been born there?

I suspect the last is true, which is paradoxical. We need our fantasy characters to be extremely realistic because they are our only foundation from the "real" world, yet they can get away with more narcissism, even if it isn't direct narcissism, but narcissism through the eyes of other characters, simply because we can imagine ourselves like them. Such a character existing in *our* world, though, implies that we are somewhat less.

In short, fantasy can be all about wishful thinking. The important thing is to make it wishful thinking for the reader. And this means there has to be some realism in the characters. But what's most important for fantasy, I think, is in showing that these other people have human emotions and logic, and yes, a certain number of flaws and instants of bad judgement. But I think a fantasy character can also have a very high score on a Mary-Sue test, and still qualify as realistic, when the same character put in our world would be laughed at. I think this is why I love Phèdre and roll my eyes at Meredith Gentry. I'm going to read further, though. Maybe she'll redeem herself now that I know what I'm looking for.

In conclusion, I do think it's good to be somewhat on the lookout for Mary-Sues as a writer, but that I need to temper my reading and not go overboard on the elitist band wagon. Somehow find the balance between writing and reading. And continue to let my characters speak for themselves (though if for some god forsaken reason, Kieran and Charron want to fall in love, I will absolutely and firmly veto them. After all, I'm the author. I can do things like that.)

On a side note, I also think that fantasy does not have to be about wishful thinking. In fact, my novel is *not* about wishful thinking. It's dirty, it's grimy, and it's all the things fantasy so often isn't. It is most vehemently not pretty. (I want the prose to be beautiful, though, even though it isn't yet.)

Oh, and if my novel ever does become "pretty", by all the seven gods, please let me know!

(no, I do not worship seven gods - it just sounded good there :) )

~Raven, who despite all of that is still unsure.
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Nov. 5th, 2004 @ 02:11 pm Mary Sue
First, my understanding (this was copied directly from my head, nowhere else, so I might be wrong)

Mary Sue: a character who is not only an insertion of the author into a piece of writing, but an insertion of the author's ideal, what they strive to be, and who is not really realistic. A character who is beautiful, talented, and does no wrong.

Okay, I can see how having a character like that in your story would be bad. But I took a test once, and found out that I (me, not my character) had a high score on being a Mary Sue because I cry a lot, feel guilty about things I didn't actually do wrong, and know more than 2 languages. And I think these tests, and a lot of readers who tend to condemn other writers for having Mary Sues, are missing the point. I don't think the problem is in the character. I think the problem is in the writing.

I think the problem is one of attitude, not one of character-building. Furthermore, I think if you *have* a character, you don't have a Mary Sue. What do I mean by that? I think most Mary Sues come from the pens of people who don't create their characters, and who focus solely on the plot. Because they don't focus on character, or really create their characters, they get a "default". Naturally this default would fit the Mary Sue definition, as I understand it. Because if you don't think about character, what you're going to create is whatever character is in your head. And if you want them to be the hero or villain, they're going to have to be -good- at what they do, so you make sure they can do everything you need them to do for the plot to work. But the flaws aren't a part of the plot, they aren't really needed, so if you aren't thinking about the character, you won't include them.

I think that the focus should be not on avoiding Mary Sues, but on creating well-rounded characters. That is, a focus on what TO do, not on what NOT to do, if that makes sense. I'm somewhat guilty of the former, though, due to my worries about what other people will think. I worry about that too much, I think. However, I think in avoiding a Mary Sue, you could end up ruining your character or your story.

For example, one thing that came up as Mary-Sue-ish in one of the tests was that the Mary Sue would feel guilty about something that wasn't their fault. I had a plot idea where my main character was punished for doing something, and she felt guilty about it. I ended up "fixing" this by actually making it her fault - as in, she failed because she wasn't paying attention. I think this actually added to the story, but it was a conscious insertion of something I wouldn't have added. I could have gone the other way, and made her not feel guilty about it, and I think that would have completely detracted from the story. I think you need to be very careful about this kind of conscious insertion of foreign elements into your story, because they can detract from what the character really is. I think that can have as many problems as a Mary Sue, because like in a Mary Sue, you stop focusing on the character herself (or himself) in favor of something external.

I think the solution to both problems is to let the character drive the story. If they want to feel guilty about something that's not their fault, let them. If they want to learn a second language, let them. If they think they are the most beautiful person on the planet, let them think that. And if they don't, let them think that, too. Just be aware of who and what they are. If you aren't aware at all, you'll probably get a Mary Sue. If you are only aware of their Mary Sue potential, you will end up with someone very contrived, I'd imagine.

That's my thought on the Mary Sue issue. Then again, I've had characters rebel on me in the past, and they're always right. The story is much better when they act on their own. This is why I really am skeptical of these external "fixes" to Mary Sue-ness, and hope that I will not fall prey to worrying about it again in the future.
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Nov. 3rd, 2004 @ 02:57 pm Readers and Comments
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[not filtered; totally open to the public]

The main reason I've added so many friends to this journal is that I want people to be able to read this if they so choose. Obviously, with many of you writing novels, AND with my day job (teaching), I don't have the time to read ALL the novels that everyone is writing.

Some people, therefore, will be more likely to be read by me than others.

I *may* read anyone on my friends' list, and if I do, I'll try to have something to say. Whether that will be useful or not may vary. I'm not sure I'll be able to *stop* reading some of the ones I've started *grins* I wish I could be as talented without my internal editor, but I'm doing much worse than I normally do. The words just aren't coming, and the story seems forced. I knew I shouldn't have done an outline of any sort.

I *will* read people on my friends' list who either A. leave comments here or B. I know from before NaNoWriMo - these include friends from my raveno journal, people I know in person, and people from the BPAL Forums, with one exception. Clephan - I probably will not read yours because I get freaked out easily and don't generally like scary stories. I thank you for the warning, and I will take you up on it.

Finally, I've revised my opinion on criticism: Criticism is better than nothing. Yes, I might be tempted to edit/revise too early, but I think I can resist the temptation knowing that I can always go back and reread your comments. I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner.

I hope this clarifies things.
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Musing
Oct. 30th, 2004 @ 03:02 pm Avatar?
I need an avatar, and I don't know where to find one. It's been a long time since I made my last account (raveno), and I don't remember how I found that one, either.

Anyway, I'd be looking for a quill on paper or parchment of some kind (to go with the theme, of course), and preferably a black quill (for the 'raven' part).

Thanks!

~Raven

Edit:

Yay for hypothermya and her post on the Black Phoenix forum about AllAvatars.com. Wonderful!
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Oct. 27th, 2004 @ 12:44 am NaNoWriMo!
This diary was inspired by NaNoWriMo, which stands for National Novel Writing Month - a project aimed at getting everyone to write 50,000-word long or longer novels in just one month.

This will likely expand to become a more general writing journal, and because I will be posting things that I may want to publish some day, most of the posts will be Friends locked. This one, of course isn't. Also, if I end up having "words of wisdom" about the writing process, I may post those without filters.

By the way - during November, please do not post criticisms. I love such things, but I know that I'd start editing instead of writing, and then I wouldn't make the 50,000 word goal. Plot ideas, though, are always welcome!

Thank you for your interest.
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